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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:00 pm 
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That's nice of you Ristau, but I hardly see many other employers falling in line to that train of thought.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:28 pm 
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I hear all the time from people already in the field that have "made it" or have a job in a field, that certs are meaningless. I know plenty of networking people who don't need certs, they're super skilled and intelligent, and don't need to prove themselves. But IT is a relatively new field, and there are way too many people higher up who rose through attrition and don't have the foundations or desire to earn their position if they had to look for a new job. The field is getting more competitive as more people do have those foundations, and I see the less skilled fall by the way side over time. Networking is not something you just absorb over time without study IMHO, it's tough, and it underlies all IT. I'm young and certs are a way for me to broaden my horizons and differentiate myself, but I'm not expecting someone to pay me for skill sets that I haven't proven in the field. I've interviewed people for my last 2 companies, and don't BS in an interview, we know. Certs get you past recruiters, which is the hardest part, they are ALWAYS more picky than the actual technical people you're interviewing with. Since doing my CCNA and VCP, my hit rates on my resume went through the roof... granted most are crap, but it's better than having to look for a job yourself :-)

Start at the helpdesk and move up in IT, you have a ton of time to move into networking, just keep studying and be curious, make friends with other IT people, keep in touch. If you can get in at a large company and cozy up to the networking team, I did and they lent me a switch for my SWITCH test. They gave me a 3750 for under my desk, they keep me up to date on random networking stuff. My job normally has nothing to do with networking, but I've made it into one that does.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful for those on the forum without certs (and are extremely knowledgeable) and help us along; far from it I'm very grateful. I just mean that if you don't have experience, it'll get you in the door. It's just easier moving up with certs.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:22 pm 
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I would rather hire a bag of french fries than someone with a master degree who never held a job. At least I could eat the French fries as they would provide me energy to do the job this person with the masters couldnt perform at 3am on a Sunday in the data center when a customer was yelling that their web server with 60,000 clients couldn't reach.

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I would rather hire a bag of french fries than someone with a master degree who never held a job. At least I could eat the French fries as they would provide me energy to do the job this person with the masters couldnt perform at 3am on a Sunday in the data center when a customer was yelling that their web server with 60,000 clients couldn't reach.



I knew a guy with a master in info tech, couldn't tell the difference between a parallel port and a 25 pin scsi port.
heh, he tried to connect a parallel printer to the scsi port. hahahahahah I had a good laugh on that one.

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I hear all the time from people already in the field that have "made it" or have a job in a field, that certs are meaningless. I know plenty of networking people who don't need certs, they're super skilled and intelligent, and don't need to prove themselves. But IT is a relatively new field, and there are way too many people higher up who rose through attrition and don't have the foundations or desire to earn their position if they had to look for a new job. The field is getting more competitive as more people do have those foundations, and I see the less skilled fall by the way side over time. Networking is not something you just absorb over time without study IMHO, it's tough, and it underlies all IT. I'm young and certs are a way for me to broaden my horizons and differentiate myself, but I'm not expecting someone to pay me for skill sets that I haven't proven in the field. I've interviewed people for my last 2 companies, and don't BS in an interview, we know. Certs get you past recruiters, which is the hardest part, they are ALWAYS more picky than the actual technical people you're interviewing with. Since doing my CCNA and VCP, my hit rates on my resume went through the roof... granted most are crap, but it's better than having to look for a job yourself :-)

Start at the helpdesk and move up in IT, you have a ton of time to move into networking, just keep studying and be curious, make friends with other IT people, keep in touch. If you can get in at a large company and cozy up to the networking team, I did and they lent me a switch for my SWITCH test. They gave me a 3750 for under my desk, they keep me up to date on random networking stuff. My job normally has nothing to do with networking, but I've made it into one that does.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful for those on the forum without certs (and are extremely knowledgeable) and help us along; far from it I'm very grateful. I just mean that if you don't have experience, it'll get you in the door. It's just easier moving up with certs.


Yes, certs are important for that primary reason - the resume race. If I'm a recruiter, which I honestly believe most/all big companies use, and I have to go through hundreds of resumes, who has what certs will make it easy for me to seperate the resumes into piles "A" and "B".

You don't want to be in "Pile B".

Now, for me, the secondary reasons why I'm a big cert fan are A) the accomplishment, and B) the knowledge gained along the way, which comes from actually studying - not taking a week long boot camp or brain dumping. Honestly, I kind of look down on people who refuse to do certifications because they are "too smart for it". Sounds like an excuse or cop out to me. As a person working in such a dynamically changing field, you should have at least some hunger for new knowledge. So if you're going to have your nose in books anyway, you might as well make the extra effort and get a cert to help your resume.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:05 am 
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Steven King wrote:
Ocelaris wrote:
I hear all the time from people already in the field that have "made it" or have a job in a field, that certs are meaningless. I know plenty of networking people who don't need certs, they're super skilled and intelligent, and don't need to prove themselves. But IT is a relatively new field, and there are way too many people higher up who rose through attrition and don't have the foundations or desire to earn their position if they had to look for a new job. The field is getting more competitive as more people do have those foundations, and I see the less skilled fall by the way side over time. Networking is not something you just absorb over time without study IMHO, it's tough, and it underlies all IT. I'm young and certs are a way for me to broaden my horizons and differentiate myself, but I'm not expecting someone to pay me for skill sets that I haven't proven in the field. I've interviewed people for my last 2 companies, and don't BS in an interview, we know. Certs get you past recruiters, which is the hardest part, they are ALWAYS more picky than the actual technical people you're interviewing with. Since doing my CCNA and VCP, my hit rates on my resume went through the roof... granted most are crap, but it's better than having to look for a job yourself :-)

Start at the helpdesk and move up in IT, you have a ton of time to move into networking, just keep studying and be curious, make friends with other IT people, keep in touch. If you can get in at a large company and cozy up to the networking team, I did and they lent me a switch for my SWITCH test. They gave me a 3750 for under my desk, they keep me up to date on random networking stuff. My job normally has nothing to do with networking, but I've made it into one that does.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful for those on the forum without certs (and are extremely knowledgeable) and help us along; far from it I'm very grateful. I just mean that if you don't have experience, it'll get you in the door. It's just easier moving up with certs.


Yes, certs are important for that primary reason - the resume race. If I'm a recruiter, which I honestly believe most/all big companies use, and I have to go through hundreds of resumes, who has what certs will make it easy for me to seperate the resumes into piles "A" and "B".

You don't want to be in "Pile B".

Now, for me, the secondary reasons why I'm a big cert fan are A) the accomplishment, and B) the knowledge gained along the way, which comes from actually studying - not taking a week long boot camp or brain dumping. Honestly, I kind of look down on people who refuse to do certifications because they are "too smart for it". Sounds like an excuse or cop out to me. As a person working in such a dynamically changing field, you should have at least some hunger for new knowledge. So if you're going to have your nose in books anyway, you might as well make the extra effort and get a cert to help your resume.


Agree if your scenario is true. But its hit or miss to be honest.

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It's been pretty true for the last 3 or 4 jobs I've worked/interviewed for.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:42 am 
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Ok here again, now i am a Network Engineer, my company accepted my request with only ccnp route and switch, and gave to me the opportunity to grow up.
My company thinks like Steven, certifications are e not papers, but shows that this peoples can study hard, learn new technologies, optimize the network etc. One that is a network engineer maybe have learned ospf for 1 year and eigrp for 2 years, which can not take certifications but after 10 years he is a network engineer but is slow. Technology does not wait.
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nestiern wrote:
Technology does not wait.


Boy isn't that the truth. I kind of had an idea, but still didn't fully realize that I've basically commited myself to a lifetime of constant studying/learning, and still feeling like I don't know anything, until I retire. :P

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O don't mean to be stopped as long as you like to study. My self i think like you, but taking one cert in 2 years it seems like going slow, but slow is better than nothing.


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O don't mean to be stopped as long as you like to study. My self i think like you, but taking one cert in 2 years it seems like going slow, but slow is better than nothing.


Yep, just keep chugging along. Before I landed the job I'm currently in, I wasn't really working in networking that much, and it took me a year to finish just one of the CCNP exams. Taking me about as long to finish another, but picked up Security+ and BCNE along the way.

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